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starserious

Male, 61, Baltimore, MD

Posted July 14, 2012

MusicPro2514736

Male, 53, Cincinnati, OH

Are you ignorant or dishonest. Those occurrences are largely notable for their rarity and were both preceded and followed by notable periods of crime and violence among the lower classes. Occasional bubbles of consciousness and action against oppressors do not negate the long and widespread pattern of strife and predation that occurs among oppressed classes as they are subjected to controlled conditions of competition invoked by deprivation of resources relative to their population. Furthermore there is the qualitative effect of stigmatization which takes on a different dimension among displaced populations being oppressed within alien societies.

There is also the issue of the organizing influence of external, power-seeking actors. This is especially present in the case of the French Revolution as represented by the lodge-directed Encyclopaedists. You find the same thing in the contemporary "color revolutions" and the "Arab spring" uprisings where mass revolt agains
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Are you saying that oppressed people generally engage in behavior that is tantamount to fratricide, and thus there are generally high levels of homicide? If this is so, what of the period after slavery up until recently? I don't know what the statistics say? All I know is that growing up a murder was a rare occurrence.
What of the Jews and the Palestinians? I certainly have never heard of Jews engaging in fratricide, or the Palestinians either. I thought of Native-Americans and have heard of high levels of alcohol addiction, but I'm not sure of the levels of violent crime among them.
Much of our violence is directly related to the drug trade, and more recently popularized and glamorized street gang activity.
There is no question about the effects that oppression can have on a people, another question is should that oppression always have such severe a negative impact?

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MusicPro2514736

Male, 53, Cincinnati, OH

Posted July 15, 2012

starserious

Male, 61, Baltimore, MD

Are you saying that oppressed people generally engage in behavior that is tantamount to fratricide, and thus there are generally high levels of homicide? If this is so, what of the period after slavery up until recently? I don't know what the statistics say? All I know is that growing up a murder was a rare occurrence.
What of the Jews and the Palestinians? I certainly have never heard of Jews engaging in fratricide, or the Palestinians either. I thought of Native-Americans and have heard of high levels of alcohol addiction, but I'm not sure of the levels of violent crime among them.
Much of our violence is directly related to the drug trade, and more recently popularized and glamorized street gang activity.
There is no question about the effects that oppression can have on a people, another question is should that oppression always have such severe a negative impact?

Those are interesting examples that make something of a point. I would point out that Palestinians are in far more of a position to entertain expressing violence directly against their oppressors. But economic hardship is still positively related to increased levels of violent and property crime among Palestinians.

Native Americans are overwhelmingly under siege from without where violent crime is concerned. They are the most victimized group per capita in the U.S. and 70% of violent crimes against Native Americans are committed by non-Native Americans, with whites committing 60%. Yet there is a myth of "Indian on Indian" crime that is actually propagated by racists.

Violent crime certainly exploded in Black communities starting with the late 60's tracking with the explosion of the drug trade, but Black communities were no stranger to elevated levels of violent crime. Prior to the federal government's post-war efforts to transport large numbers of poor and working class whites out of congested city centers to newly created suburbs, violent crime was pretty pronounced among them too. Black people didn't start killing each other over pork chops, and turf, and women, and a few dollars, and harsh words, and dirty looks in the last 40 years. That was always going on but yes the drug trade and the glorification of it and associated pathologies has had what I would consider a tremendous effect on exacerbating the situation.

There are factors that can make oppression more or less predictive of violence and other pathology, but I don't think that anybody comes up with effective means of lessening the negative effects on behavior if they continue to refuse to account for simple oppression as a factor of the magnitude that it is.

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starserious

Male, 61, Baltimore, MD

Posted July 15, 2012

MusicPro2514736

Male, 53, Cincinnati, OH

Those are interesting examples that make something of a point. I would point out that Palestinians are in far more of a position to entertain expressing violence directly against their oppressors. But economic hardship is still positively related to increased levels of violent and property crime among Palestinians.

Native Americans are overwhelmingly under siege from without where violent crime is concerned. They are the most victimized group per capita in the U.S. and 70% of violent crimes against Native Americans are committed by non-Native Americans, with whites committing 60%. Yet there is a myth of "Indian on Indian" crime that is actually propagated by racists.

Violent crime certainly exploded in Black communities starting with the late 60's tracking with the explosion of the drug trade, but Black communities were no stranger to elevated levels of violent crime. Prior to the federal government's post-war efforts to transport large numbers of poor and w
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"Prior to the federal government's post-war efforts to transport large numbers of poor and working class whites out of congested city centers to newly created suburbs, violent crime was pretty pronounced among them too. Black people didn't start killing each other over pork chops, and turf, and women, and a few dollars, and harsh words, and dirty looks in the last 40 years."
Working class whites? Where is the oppression factor in that? Could the largest factor in violence be the basic flaws of human beings in general? We all know that there is lots of violence taking place behind closed doors in homes by otherwise assumed to be decent people. Violence is manifest in many other ways that are not always in the forefront of our consciousness. Just look at what we choose to entertain ourselves with.
I think an effective means of eliminating oppression can not be achieved without analyzing and addressing why it is that humans find it necessary to oppress others.
We need to ask the question of whether the standards of happiness, wealth, success, etc.. that has been set by the elites, and which most of us except, is oppressive in and of itself. What are the spiritual, moral, ethical, etc. grounds on which so few are right to possess so much wealth?

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archaicwisdom

Male, Age Private, Chicago, IL

Posted July 16, 2012

MusicPro2514736

Male, 53, Cincinnati, OH

Are you ignorant or dishonest. Those occurrences are largely notable for their rarity and were both preceded and followed by notable periods of crime and violence among the lower classes. Occasional bubbles of consciousness and action against oppressors do not negate the long and widespread pattern of strife and predation that occurs among oppressed classes as they are subjected to controlled conditions of competition invoked by deprivation of resources relative to their population. Furthermore there is the qualitative effect of stigmatization which takes on a different dimension among displaced populations being oppressed within alien societies.

There is also the issue of the organizing influence of external, power-seeking actors. This is especially present in the case of the French Revolution as represented by the lodge-directed Encyclopaedists. You find the same thing in the contemporary "color revolutions" and the "Arab spring" uprisings where mass revolt agains
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They were not rarities; and they were, at most, acts of violence directed toward class ascendency and central government. This is true of the Nien, Tiapang and subsequent movements in Imperial China; the Puritan Wars in England (least recurrent); and the most violent and recurrent upheavals in preindustrial-postindustrial France. A quick example due to work. In the last phase of the French Revolution, rural peasants realized their power as the agrarian basis of the country and exploited the fact in their favor to meet the needs that the central government and local revolutionary regimes failed to. Simply put, they violated legal sanctions and refused to bring grain (or crops) to the urban markets where there was a dangerous shortage due to various issues I can't discuss at length at the moment, which forced wealthier peoples to travel to rural France where the rural peasants sold grains at prices higher than the fixed priced appropriated by the central government. As a result, the town peasants ( a substantial or higher class of peasantry), who could not afford such a venture and certainly not the asking price of grain, began to starve. Literally. Then, they started pillaging urban retail centers that were owned by the ruling classes with political ties with the aristocracy. These social outbursts essentially ascended up the class structure, which, as you know, lead to the public executions of notables and eventually Louis XVI (?). A lot of what you say in this post is correct, but my point is that such upheavals compromise the lowliest of people AGAINST the hierarchy, not one another. That's a historical truth.

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archaicwisdom

Male, Age Private, Chicago, IL

Posted July 19, 2012

starserious

Male, 61, Baltimore, MD

Are you saying that oppressed people generally engage in behavior that is tantamount to fratricide, and thus there are generally high levels of homicide? If this is so, what of the period after slavery up until recently? I don't know what the statistics say? All I know is that growing up a murder was a rare occurrence.
What of the Jews and the Palestinians? I certainly have never heard of Jews engaging in fratricide, or the Palestinians either. I thought of Native-Americans and have heard of high levels of alcohol addiction, but I'm not sure of the levels of violent crime among them.
Much of our violence is directly related to the drug trade, and more recently popularized and glamorized street gang activity.
There is no question about the effects that oppression can have on a people, another question is should that oppression always have such severe a negative impact?

His hypothesis, that he's maintained since I started posting here, doesn't explicate the contrasts in social behavior between the post-Civil war (or even Civil Rights) and current Negro. You've hit the root of the problem in his premise. This conversation should be elaborated.

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realtyman2

Male, 49, Memphis, TN

Posted September 28, 2012

The damage that was done the the Black Mind due to slavery was never corrected.That is why we kill each other so much in our community because of self hate.We are Africans physically as a people but speak english.Are we from England ?NO.we are a people at war with ourselves but we are slowly waking up,when all else fail to organize the people,conditions will

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kingxango

Male, 42, Seattle, WA

Posted September 28, 2012

Black people are crazy as hell man and lots of my family live in Memphis and they are crazy as hell too. I was born in Forrest City not more than 35 miles from Memphis Tennesse and West Memphis Arkansas.

There's this belief blacks people can't be disciplined and we fight organization. I believe it would be hard to disciplined Blacks because we have gone so long without any order. Anytime the good amongst tried to create order and law someone amongst killed them or slandered them out of existence. There's no one to blame but us today for our condition because we had lots of opportunities under Booker T. Washington and Marcus Garvey to stand up and clean up and be recognized as a proud nation of people.

But no..that's too much for you race hustlers to take the attention of of the Whiteman and the White media. Blame on the White man and never look at the Black man. Niggaz are crazy and some of them deserved to be put out of their misery man. Lol. If we can't rule ourselves and be the police and King of us then Whitemen will continue to paint history their way and control things their way.

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