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US airman stands his ground in Florida, sentenced to 25 years


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  • Posted: December 14, 2013


A former U.S. airman is currently sitting in a Florida prison for what his supporters argue was a simple act of self-defense.

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Male, 56, Austell, GA

Posted December 14, 2013


Oh hell knaw!! Despite my apprehension; how did I know that he was not Caucasian?

Unfortunately, like in the movie "The Dark Knight" he should have broke a pool stick in two and offered his attacker a fighting chance to test their worthiness...

Welcome to the jungle.


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Female, 54, Coleman, FL

Posted December 14, 2013


the problem is that he left the brawl and came back armed to find his friends, as with Zimmerman, this is not stand your ground.

the attacker is guilty of a lesser crime, but guilty none the less.

the issue is that misguided persons view stand your ground as a right to do whatever it takes to come out on top in defense of self or defense of others.

marissa was a victim of abuse, she already effed up in the head. she should have left but her cognitive abilities has been skewered by physical abuse aka psts.

now I understand the thinking of i'm going get my friends, but we don't leave s/o our friends in the first place. just saying,we stand and fight to the end or get the h3ll out of the environment asap, even if we have to drag the straggler along. or stay there and stomp a mud hole in some arses if need be. ...but of we should seek to logically avoid stupidity...but if rival anything is involved emotions are already on edge and makes for an environment of volatile explosion waiting to happen.

shooting into a crowd is begging for trouble with a capital TROUBLE.


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Female, 54, Coleman, FL

Posted December 14, 2013


Michael Dunn does not have a stand your ground defense either.

He is guilty of murder and attempted murder.

10-20-life.


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Posted December 14, 2013


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the problem is that he left the brawl and came back armed to find his friends, as with Zimmerman, this is not stand your ground.

the attacker is guilty of a lesser crime, but guilty none the less.

the issue is that misguided persons view stand your ground as a right to do whatever it takes to come out on top in defense of self or defense of others.

marissa was a victim of abuse, she already effed up in the head. she should have left but her cognitive abilities has been skewered by physical abuse aka psts.

now I understand the thinking of i'm going get my friends, but we don't leave s/o our friends in the first place. just saying,we stand and fight to the end or get the h3ll out of the environment asap, even if we have to drag the straggler along. or stay there and stomp a mud hole in some arses if need be. ...but of we should seek to logically avoid stupidity...but if rival anything is involved emotions are already on edge and make
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For your information, the reasonable justifications you site to convict in the case of a stand your ground defense is what any reasonable minded citizen would expect from the courts. ;A higher threshold to use deadly force as a result of taking someone's life. What seems to illude you in each case iyou mentioned where stand your ground proved to be insufficient as a proper defense is when the shooter is poor and/or minority.

While Caucasians are walking out of courtrooms under stand your ground with no obligation to retreat with simply the fear that their life was in danger...This is why those who oppose the law are fighting to have it repealed.

In another case not mentioned a father was on his front porch defending his family from an angry mob of youths when he shot one of them. As far as I recollect, he's still languishing in prison.

Stand your ground wasn't applied in his case either...

Need I remind you of the racial components of the case??


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Female, 53, Chicago, IL

Posted December 14, 2013


From what I am understanding about that incident is an argument quickly escalated into a brawl without any gun shots being fired. Apparently all that they were doing was fighting with each other without any deadly weapons being pulled out.

I know maybe he should not have went to get the gun from his car (start thinking before yall take action) This was a fight and not a shootout. Him being charged with second degree of attempted murder is too harsh to me. A person is not attempted to murder when they shoot someone in the leg. Attempted murder is when you shoot somebody in their back or in their chest or in their head but, they just did not die though.

What that guy should have did was once he walked away he should have stayed there until his friends had gotten themselves from out of that brawling crowd because apparently he does not like to fight but, he will shoot a warning shot though. In other words do not try and fight with him because he do not like to fight but, he will shoot you though.

Real Talk sometimes fighting can actually lead to some one's DEATH. That is why it is very important to think about what the consequences of your actions could be before even making certain moves.

usfg


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Male, 56, Austell, GA

Posted December 14, 2013


The_Harbinger
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Female, 53, Chicago, IL


From what I am understanding about that incident is an argument quickly escalated into a brawl without any gun shots being fired. Apparently all that they were doing was fighting with each other without any deadly weapons being pulled out.

I know maybe he should not have went to get the gun from his car (start thinking before yall take action) This was a fight and not a shootout. Him being charged with second degree of attempted murder is too harsh to me. A person is not attempted to murder when they shoot someone in the leg. Attempted murder is when you shoot somebody in their back or in their chest or in their head but, they just did not die though.

What that guy should have did was once he walked away he should have stayed there until his friends had gotten themselves from out of that brawling crowd because apparently he does not like to fight but, he will shoot a warning shot though. In other words do not try and fight with him because he do not like to fi
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Harbinger, imagine for a moment in this case, that the defendant and the party he was seeking to rescue were White (hell, why not? female at that), in a predominately minority, middle to low income establishment that broke out in a knock down, drag out, free for all.

Do anyone honestly believe that he would be serving 35 years in prison despite a stand your ground defense?

If you don't believe it? Miss me with that same-sex argument too. And if you do? You obviously received high marks in school when you were taught that the Native Americans sold huge swaths of land for some beads and trinkets.

Tupac Shakur: Hail Mary-"...Now pay attention, rest in peace father
I'm a ghost in these killin fields
Hail Mary catch me if I go, let's go deep inside
the solitary mind of a madman who screams in the dark
Evil lurks, enemies, see me flee
Activate my hate, let it break, to the flame...

Best let Tupac say it:

http://youtu.be/nkJA6SYwa94


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Male, 56, Austell, GA

Posted December 14, 2013


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Female, 54, Coleman, FL


Michael Dunn does not have a stand your ground defense either.

He is guilty of murder and attempted murder.

10-20-life.


He'll get off to (in my George Zimmerman voice). If he don't? I would argue under a "scape goat" or "sacrificial lamb" clause provision under the law.

Or have you forgotten the Zimmerman trial that quickly:

It was the defense in collusion with the Judge and the prosecution, with the composition of the juror, with the attorney general, secretary of state responsible for eligible voters, with the mayor, sheriff, coroner, etc, etc...

Against an African-American boy trying to get home one evening in stormy weather while talking to a friend on the phone with some skittles and ice tea.


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Female, 54, Coleman, FL

Posted December 14, 2013


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Male, 56, Austell, GA


For your information, the reasonable justifications you site to convict in the case of a stand your ground defense is what any reasonable minded citizen would expect from the courts. ;A higher threshold to use deadly force as a result of taking someone's life. What seems to illude you in each case iyou mentioned where stand your ground proved to be insufficient as a proper defense is when the shooter is poor and/or minority.

While Caucasians are walking out of courtrooms under stand your ground with no obligation to retreat with simply the fear that their life was in danger...This is why those who oppose the law are fighting to have it repealed.

In another case not mentioned a father was on his front porch defending his family from an angry mob of youths when he shot one of them. As far as I recollect, he's still languishing in prison.

Stand your ground wasn't applied in his case either...

Need I remind you of the racial components of


For your information, the reasonable justifications you site to convict in the case of a stand your ground defense is what any reasonable minded citizen would expect from the courts. ;A higher threshold to use deadly force as a result of taking someone's life. What seems to illude you in each case iyou mentioned where stand your ground proved to be insufficient as a proper defense is when the shooter is poor and/or minority.
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This is true...to a point... but some truth is omitted.
Here's a link to help fyi :
http://www.tampabay.com/s/c ourts/criminal/race-plays-comp lex-role-in-floridas-stand-you r-ground-law/1233152




While Caucasians are walking out of courtrooms under stand your ground with no obligation to retreat with simply the fear that their life was in danger...This is why those who oppose the law are fighting to have it repealed.
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I read the stats and I'm sure you did too...I hope.
White Caucasians do not always walk out of the courtroom free as a bird for their misconstruance and misapplication of the stand your ground law. Though they do walk with a higher percentage rate. And lest we forget, Karma is still a beautiful Bit(h and she will repay all day everyday. Zimmerman is the latest example of how she don't play her radio when it comes to bs.




In another case not mentioned a father was on his front porch defending his family from an angry mob of youths when he shot one of them. As far as I recollect, he's still languishing in prison.
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That man should NOT be languishing in anyone's prison for defending his home and family. His case is a travesty of injustice. He should be freed immediately with an apology, state funded counseling of his choice for him and his entire family, annnnnnnd lost of income, annnnnnd a hefty apology sum of currency.

Stand your ground wasn't applied in his case either...

Need I remind you of the racial components of the case??
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I do NOT have to be reminded of anything regarding racial disparities when it comes to black people. so save your sarcasm for someone who does not know any better. In other words, make it personal and it may just become personal.... too late..... I was born black i'm gone die black ...it's already personal.

Don't think that gun violence does not hurt my soul with the taking of a life.
My point is that I don't give a hoot what race or hue or gender or religion or spirituality or sexual preference or mental capacity a person who is directly (imminent danger right then right there right now) affecting the life of me or mine is concerned I will shoot to kill in self-defense when left with no other choice as is only reasonable and logical.

Now I reside in fl, and before there was this stupid law about an assailant having to be inside the home before I could legally defend against a perversion as if the property was not a part of my home. the 2005 law states that when I say get the h3ll off my property, that means get your trespassing azz off my property if you are threatening me or mine. in the streets, we could get assaulted with a golf club for defending our children against an adult. Now, if a fool gets a fool's reward.

Does this mean that we should go out and about seeking to cause harm? NOooooooo. It means that if someone is threatening behavior toward us who don't bother nobody, we have the right to use lethal force as deemed by the circumstances of the situation. If we retreat, we are expected to remain in the safe haven, barring no immediate threat to life or property.

I've seen drug dealers in turf wars, puzzy wars , di(k wars, getting off for standing your ground.

Each case is to be tried with a case by case with a jury of peers, (speaking of when is the last time you were asked to be a juror to equal out the peer stats....cause we don't get called and when we do, we don't go --check the stats on that too, I did). Where are the peers.


The_Harbinger
The_Harb...

Female, 53, Chicago, IL

Posted December 14, 2013


Hmmm, to me it should not actually matter if he was with a white girl or a black girl or any other race of girls. It really does not matter what race of guys he was with either because he is black and they want to take him down for defending himself from some out of control fighting animals (he wanted no trouble but trouble had followed him anyway).

Matter of fact what race was the guy that he shot? Black or White. They want to give him 25 to 35 yrs. Just for shooting someone in the leg because he does not believe in fighting like some wild and out of control animals? My question is are they trying to take him down because he is black or are they trying to take him down because he had shot a white guy in his leg for hitting him.

In any case matter some people act as if when they be out there acting like wild and out of control animals that they do not suppose to get shot by a black mans gun because the black man do not believing in fighting. The thing about a lot of these young black guys is they actually are not into fighting and that is why they will shoot instead. In other words stop trying to fight with them and I do not care if they are black just like you are.

I hope I answered your question because sometimes I do not be understanding the way yall will use yalls words.

usfg


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Female, 54, Coleman, FL

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Male, 56, Austell, GA


He'll get off to (in my George Zimmerman voice). If he don't? I would argue under a "scape goat" or "sacrificial lamb" clause provision under the law.

Or have you forgotten the Zimmerman trial that quickly:

It was the defense in collusion with the Judge and the prosecution, with the composition of the juror, with the attorney general, secretary of state responsible for eligible voters, with the mayor, sheriff, coroner, etc, etc...

Against an African-American boy trying to get home one evening in stormy weather while talking to a friend on the phone with some skittles and ice tea.


Ok.

You can bite my azz.

When you are ready for dialog, s/o attempting to attack/insult me, we can communicate.

Until, then you can suck nutts.


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