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Rap and Hip-Hop: Modern day MINSTREL SHOWS in BLACK FACE!




Chicago, IL January 18, 2009

Rap and Hip-Hop: Modern day MINSTREL SHOWS in BLACK FACE!

With few exceptions -- very few exceptions, today's music, Rap and most Hip-Hop has degraded into the most denigrating, stereotypical MINSTREL SHOWS rife with BLACKS in "BLACK FACE" cooning, flossin', hyper-sexual, boasting of imaginary sexual prowess and gangster affiliation, glorified violence and thong-clad BLACK WOMEN as shared sexual property, just as easily disposed of as readily available.

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Tall_Dar...

Male, 38, Chicago, IL

Posted Jan 19, 2009


Rap and Hip-Hop: Modern day MINSTREL SHOWS in BLACK FACE!

We have begun to parody and stereotype ourselves in reverse!

All the vile, disgusting, hateful, racist, degrading stereotypes about us, we have gladly and willingly embraced and now celebrate with festive glee with over-flowing champagne and platinum-encrusted jewels and baubles and BLACK WOMEN with thongs with legs splayed and open in pliant, acquiescing poses.

In Rap and Hip-Hop imagery, videos, lyrics and performances, we have become those very hateful stereotypes that harken back to eras where we were lynched until our eyes bulged from the pull of the rope around our necks -- now rappers and Hip-Hop artists mimic that bugged-eyed expression as they throw money in the air or put their jewelry next to the camera for a close-up.



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Esoteric...

Male, 36, Boston, MA

Posted Jan 19, 2009


Commercial hip-hop, I agree, is a modern mistrel show. One of the best albums of the past few years was Little Brother's "The Minstrel Show" that really dealt with that reality.

Fact is, hip hop has always had that minstrel element....and it has always had a very positive, uplifting element.

Problem is, who do WE overall as a community support? Who do black people spend their money on? Most of the people who support the Lil Wayne's....and who criticize them...Have never gone out and bought a CD or attended a show of a conscious underground hip-hop artist.

I agree that its a problem, but people need to be part of the solution by supporting the MANY artists out there who do not engage in the negativity and stop supporting the ones that do.



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xMCFLYx
xMCFLYx

Male, 31, Cleveland, OH

Posted Jan 19, 2009


5th and fashion is a CLASSIC skit....................

Commercial rap has made me listen to NPR.

Commercial rap is the equivalent to WWF. These dudes outside the (ring/booth) (personas/characters) are more important than their (wrestling/rapping) skills. Rap has become 80% what goes on outside the (ring/booth) and 20% actual (wrestling/rapping).

We can sit around right now and draw up 'the next big rapstar'/regular street dude

1. tatoo's on neck and face and all over body
2. dreads
3. gang affiliation (for street cred)
4. gun shot wound (for street cred)
5. drug affiliation (for street cred)
6. claims the hood (for street cred)
7. is fond of strip clubs
8. is a player with the ladies
9. does not have a quality education (for street cred)
10. claims to bust his gun off (for street cred)
11. history of jail/prison (for street cred)

WE AS PARENTS OF BLACK CHILDREN ARE TAKING MAJOR L's FOR ALLOWING OUR KIDS TO THINK ANY OF THIS IS 'cool'.



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Anthropological
Anthropo...

Male, 40, Bronx, NY

Posted Jan 20, 2009


I am definitely co-signing on this one!
Rap music has made me start listening to drum and bass.
It's hip hop beats over instruments, turntablism and singing.... it was hot about 10 years ago but I still listen to it....

Props to McFly
NPR is great... listening to it makes you realize that there is much more going on in the world than what what we see on our block and certainly more than you see on TV.



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moniQTee
moniQTee

Female, Age Private, Los Angeles, CA

Posted Jan 20, 2009


TELL ME ABOUT IT. I dont even listen to it anymore.

RIP HIP HOP 1979 - 1997.

YES FOLKS 1997.

signed,

former Hip Hop Connoisseur (really, u can drop anything on me between those dates)



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Esoteric_Dredz
Esoteric...

Male, 36, Boston, MA

Posted Jan 20, 2009


Wow....

I feel bad if you feel hip-hop is dead....

Its not dead....You folks just arent paying attention to the many signs of life out there....

LOL

If Black folks stopped letting Viacom and Clear Channel dictate the scope of OUR music they would be able to look outside the box and find as much real hip-hop today as ever.



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aquafina_gurl
aquafina...

Female, 32, Cleveland, OH

Posted Jan 20, 2009


@ tall

I agree 100%



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la79
la79

Male, 30, Oak Park, MI

Posted Jan 21, 2009


as is everything else in this world -it is what they tell us it is......

its obvious we cannot make anything what we want it to be on our own...



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moniQTee
moniQTee

Female, Age Private, Los Angeles, CA

Posted Jan 21, 2009


um.. not to be rude but its Hip Hop... not "hip-hop" Thats the first problem... its a noun not a verb.

Its dead because the "jokers" that are making what they THINK is Hip Hop has already destroyed it.

How is it creative music when people are being told by executives, what to make and HOW to make it? Did anyone tell Picasso how to make his paintings? We are forgetting what makes ART in the first place. All of the creativity that made it what it was is gone. If its not the "chosen few" then it doesnt get played. I would hardly consider Lil Wayne or Soulja Boy Hip Hop.. that's Rap music.. BUT IT FOR DAMN SURE AINT HIP HOP. Sorry.



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moniQTee
moniQTee

Female, Age Private, Los Angeles, CA

Posted Jan 21, 2009


Thats my point LA79....

I mean who are they calling the "best rapper" these days?

Eminem? IS THIS a FKING joke?

Clearly these people never knew anything about it from the beginning.



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Esoteric...

Male, 36, Boston, MA

Posted Jan 21, 2009


@ MoniQTee...Okay we all get it...Lil Wayne and Soulja Boy and those cats are horrible....as are many of the rappers that are pushed by the mainstream...I agree with that.

But because they suck we have to ignore the good stuff Nas has put out recently? Or Immortal Technique? Or the fact that cats like the Roots, Dead Prez and Talib are still on their grind? Young cats like Kidz in The Hall and Wale and Jay Electronica are bringing heat? Its all in your perspective....I go out and enjoy conscious Hip Hop today just like I did in 1989. Because I seek it out. Hip Hop to me is very much alive. Just because its not up on MTV doesn't make it dead.



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Anthropological
Anthropo...

Male, 40, Bronx, NY

Posted Jan 21, 2009


Wait a second...
what's wrong with Eminem?
I cannot believe that people are short sighted and prejudiced that they cannot see what is good and what is not.

Rakim is on youtube saying that Eminem is and I quote "NASTY"
check it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =MTfaQpBZWZk

and you cant get a better endorsement than that!



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moniQTee
moniQTee

Female, Age Private, Los Angeles, CA

Posted Jan 21, 2009


That's why I don't do BET, I REFUSE to pay for cable, uh , television, huh brainwash.

And I can "BELLY ACHE" all I want, because I distinctly remember trying to get people to support the more positive, fun more creative Hip Hop, HELL thats ALL I KNOW. But as they say, you can lead a horse to water, but you cant make it drink.

The sht is dead admit it. AND WASNT IT NAS HIMSELF THAT SAID THAT MORE RECENTLY?

Clearly we did not listen to the same type of Hip Hop growing up if you think this full fledged HIP NOT is real.



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moniQTee
moniQTee

Female, Age Private, Los Angeles, CA

Posted Jan 21, 2009


Whats wrong with him is HE IS HARDLY THE BEST. THATS WHATS WRONG. AND

I am TIRED. TYED, of everytime a caucasian person comes along and does what SOMEBODY ELSE has ALREADY been doing to the same degree and some how they are branded "the best."

They did this sht with Elvis, they are trying to do it with Justin Timberlake by comparison and even attempted usurpation of Michael Jackson, and NOW its Eminem.

He ain't even the first white rapper. Hell Blondie was the first white person to do a rap song. You've heard it in Rappers Delight. And after that came a white woman named Terri B who was signed to Ruthless Records. I SAID Ruthless Records. She had two songs out and worked with Eazy E (RIP). And she wasnt half bad except she didnt fit the bill for "mainstream" media.

And whats wrong with Eminem? HOW ABOUT his contempt for black women? I could give a damn how old he was, because he was OLD ENOUGH to know better. Not that any of these shiftless rappers make an example any better. But how the fuk could you support that? PLEASE. He is the LAST PERSON to sit on the throne. There are PLENTY EMCEES that can rhyme like that, But they dont get the pub BECAUSE YALL DONT SUPPORT THEM. He got his pub as a great gimmick from Dr. Dre and SHIP LOAD of young white male followers. Thats about all the fuk he did. There are TONS of rappers that could see him. But some of you are too busy listening to that coonery bullsht to even know who they are.



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Esoteric...

Male, 36, Boston, MA

Posted Jan 21, 2009


@ moniQTee

I challenge you to listen to Immortal Technique or Dead Prez most recent stuff and try to tell me that it doesn't have the same radical spirit that PE and BDP had back in the day.

If hip-hop is dead as you claim its the fault of so called Hip Hop heads for turning our backs on the positive cats out there who are still on their grind and making amazing music. Who just give up rather than seek out good music and support it.

And don't forget, Nas made the amazing N*gger album AFTER Hip-hop is dead...WIth tracks like Black President (Think that's timely and relevant???) and Sly Fox and many others...So the man who said it was dead DID THAT to get people thinking and conversing about the state of the game...And in the process he went on to make music which further cemented the fact that its as alive as ever.

Sorry but I am a solutions oriented cat.....No time for whining about problems, I would rather look towards making things better.

Its like I said in another post. If people spent less time complaining and more time supporting good hip hop, then things would be better.



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dj_silke

Female, 25, France

Posted Jan 21, 2009


I agree with Esoteric:

Then I thought artists like Jean grae, Immortal Technique, will never get air play for the following reasons and I'm quoting:

A Southern Rapper named Little brother did not get air play on BET in 2005 because:

"With Little Brother's The Minstrel Show hitting stores next week, SOHH.com has heard BET is refusing to air the album's first video, "Lovin' It" because it is "too intelligent for the BET audience."

so leads me to believe the Exects are purposely pushing this trash out there.

In Paris a good friend of mind from the USA were having this same conversation and he told me " most black people come from poverty stricken backgrounds(thanx to the white man).So, when Blacks and hispanics get promised to get a lot of money by changing their lyrical content to suit that of the white masters, A person of color weigh morals against money and they go for money. what they don't realise though is that this money comes with a whole lot of strings attached to it...moral degenerationn, loss of id, the demise of Black people, the list is endless! But i believe that if hiphop can still give birth to people like me and you, there is still hope......you know KRS ONE once asked what we want HipHop to be remembered as by future generations. i am also worried about that.

In the end I cant just blame media, I also blame us for falling victim and biting the apple of the corporate tree of knowledge maximum respect to all of you for this topic...but I say let hip hop die let the masses move on to corrupt something else and as you and I pick up the pieces of the culture you shared with the world know that hip-hop lives thru ordinary people like me and you, who choose to teach themselves, and those who surround them, to be themselves as opposed to being what society blinds and moulds them to being,



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moniQTee
moniQTee

Female, Age Private, Los Angeles, CA

Posted Jan 21, 2009


I don't blame myself for anything, because I never supported this nonsense. NEVER. When rappers like PARIS came out and tried to teach something, he was pretty much "under the rug swept." When I was hollering about PRT and Brand Nubian, nobody wanted to yield to them. Hell even Kid N' Play managed to keep it real and they were mainstream. They were fun, and live and YOUR KIDS could listen to it, and I dont even have kids, but im just saying. So blame yourselves. If you want to try and salvage it, go right ahead. I am interested in moving ON. For the GLory Days are long passed. I enjoyed it while it was here, loved every minute of it. Fond memories of what was once great music at a great time in a great culture. I didnt miss one minute of it because I was probably only about 4 or 5 when I was jammin to the "Smurf House Rock" or "Technicolor." So I am good. Real Hip Hop will likely go back underground if it already hasn't. And I am too old to be running around like some teenager chasing underground spots. You waited too late. And I dont "whine" about it, I just tell it like it is when its talked about. There is a difference. I do different genres of music now, at least they MAKE REAL ART and NOT what they are told, but what inspires them. That my friend, is real music.

Its funny, because the first Hip Hop station in the world KDAY, tried to make a come back and they didnt last more than three or four years.

And so Nas came out wit a cd called N!GGER. SO WHAT. Doesnt that prove my point even more? And just how well did that CD do? Funny, last I checked Lil Wayne had the most Grammy nominations.



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la79
la79

Male, 30, Oak Park, MI

Posted Jan 21, 2009


black folks gotta lotta complaints about Black Entertainment Television! lol if black folks stopped watchin it - they would be alright. thats cable so u payin for the bullshyt..


but Al Roker coons it up everyday on NBC for free!!!

thuggish coon vs. shuckin and jivin coon


still a coon



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Esoteric...

Male, 36, Boston, MA

Posted Jan 21, 2009


Oh I hear you....See the difference is that I grew up with all different types of music....Pops was into rock so I got that Zeppelin and Hendrix and Clapton and Doobie Brothers love from him at a young age....Granddad taught me about jazz.....Grandmom on the other side brought the soul and gospel....So there is no moving on for me, they are all just pieces of the mosiac of great art. And out of those Hip Hop has always had a special place in that and still does.

Make no mistake there are "sellouts" in EVERY genre of music who sell their credibility to gain success..Go to any message board or musical blog devoted to rock, pop, electronic, etc. and you see the same debates...Hip Hop is no different. But there are people making great art in all of them too, Hip Hop included. This is, you dont have to chase it. Its there. The underground is thriving my friend. I dont go out to as many shows as I used to, but I stay downloading good hip hop, soul, house and other genres from the comfort of my own home. Its not like you have to go club hopping. Its all there.

Oh and Nas album? Debut at number one, certified gold a month later, stayed in the top 10, critical acclaim and led to him headlining a profitable and successful festival/tour that celebrated the art form of hip-hop. And come on now sis, I KNOW you arent using the Grammy's as a measure of hip hop success...LOL...To quote my man Chuck D..."Who gives a fcuk about a godd**n grammy?



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moniQTee
moniQTee

Female, Age Private, Los Angeles, CA

Posted Jan 21, 2009


Well I grew up on all types of music too. I play Classical Piano, so sometimes I just want to hear some damn Bach to sooth my brains. I also enjoy New Wave (loooooove newwave), Punk Rock, DanceHall and Reggae- my true roots, some Pop was okay, and believe it or not, that too have been somewhat contaminated, i mean, we've come along way from Madonnas Like A Virgin. My favorite genres of music ALWAYS included New Wave, Rock, Dancehall and Hip Hop. So when I was jammin to Egyptian Lover, I was also rockn out to Billy Idol - I dance with myself all the time. Dont forget Pet Shop Boys, Oingo Boingo, Duran Duran, Tears for Fears... Sht I am a TRUE 80's kid. My library still looks like that to this day.

I never said anything about the mixture of different sounds being incorporated within Hip Hop. Today, I really enjoy Alternative Rock, Goth Rock, and yes some death metal too. I mean, bands like Incubus just cant be denied and they have managed to mix Hip Hop brilliantly with their music. And No "Drive" is not the only song they have, in fact its my least favorite. But I like artists like Serj Tankian or System of A Down. They have managed to adapt styles of Hip Hop into their own genres of music and I just have to let you know now that sht is BANGIN! And i LOVE to play it LOUD, I blew my speakers out once by accident hehehe.

So that has NOTHING to do with it. Hip Hop plain and simple has been destroyed, of course their are always exceptions. but its like KRS said... how will it be remembered?

Unfortunately the people who listen to it today have NO CLUE about any of many of the artists mentioned on this board.


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